TL;DR – If you read nothing else, read this:

DON'T ENGAGE. IGNORE THEM.

That's it. That's the FAQ. Everything below is supporting detail and historical color.

Trolls feed on attention. Deny them attention and they wander off to break something else. There has never been a successful counter-troll strategy that involves engaging with the troll. There never will be. The fancy version of this advice is "don't feed the trolls." The unfancy version is the same.

The medium has changed – Usenet to web forums to blog comments to Twitter to whatever-platform-died-last-week – but the underlying behavior and the only effective response have not. If somebody farts in a room, the smell will eventually go away. If you stir it with a fan, it will not.

The rest of this document is for people who can't quite believe the above and need to walk through the reasoning, plus for the historical record of where this all came from.

– Ken (2026 update)


2026 note: The old / original FAQ originally ran monthly on Usenet from the mid-1990s through 2005 to help people deal with the alt.syntax.tactical crew, the meowers, the kook gallery (long may Archimedes Plutonium reign), and assorted other career trolls of that era. The Usenet bits are now historical – Google Groups closed its Usenet archive to the public in February 2024 and the alt.* hierarchy is a ghost town – but trolling itself migrated to every other medium and got worse. The methodology of recognition and non-engagement is unchanged. The historical AST crew descriptions and the original parody FAQ are preserved verbatim at the end of this document.

– Ken Hollis (GandalfDDI)

Contact: BlueSky @GandalfDDI, Mastodon @GandalfDDI. The old gandalf@digital.net address has been dead for years.

Archive-name: net-abuse-faq/troll-faq
Last-modified: 2026
URL: https://gandalfddi.github.io/trollfaq.html

This FAQ is about crossposts, trolls, and flames, and what to do about them. (Spoiler: see the TL;DR above. The answer is "nothing.")

 
Table of contents
=================
 
   o   Introduction
          o   Introducing alt.syntax.tactical (and friends, old and new)
   o   Defining troll, flames, and crossposts
   o   What to do
          o   E-mailing (and other direct contact)
          o   Killfiles, blocks, mutes, filters
   o   A description of the alt.syntax.tactical crew (and lesser trolls)historical, preserved as written
   o   The alt.syntax.tactical FAQ – Know your opponentshistorical, preserved as written
 
 
Introduction
============

Please feel free to repost, e-mail, mirror, or otherwise distribute this FAQ. Just don't pop it up on the screen of somebody who didn't ask for it.

The TL;DR at the top covers 95% of what you need. The rest of this document is structured as follows:

   o   Item 2 introduces the historical alt.syntax.tactical crew and the modern descendants you're more likely to encounter now (4chan raid culture, groypers, state-sponsored troll factories, AI-generated bot swarms, etc.).
   o   Item 3 defines the vocabulary – troll, flame, crosspost, sealioning, brigading, dogpiling.
   o   Items 4–6 are the practical advice. Item 6 is killfiles / mutes / blocks – the single most underused tool on every modern platform.
   o   Items 7–8 are preserved historical material from the original 1990s FAQ. Don't update what isn't broken.

 
Introducing alt.syntax.tactical (and friends, old and new)
============================================

The original alt.syntax.tactical crew decided every now and then to start a colossal crosspost / flame war. One of their early attacks involved trolling between alt.smokers, can.talk.smoking, alt.support.non-smokers, asthma, and SCI groups: take an original post from alt.smokers, pass it through an anonymous remailer (with the original e-mail name intact), and repost to all of the above. The original innocent poster got blamed for crossposts they never made. It migrated to rec.pets.cats and beyond. It is rumored the AST crew coordinated through a listserver, planning their next attack through back channels. Wouldn't want the plans posted out in the open, now would we.

Jonathan tells us that while alt.tasteless claimed credit for the rec.pets.cats war, it was really the first unofficial AST invasion. "It was all in good fun and we never meant to do more than rile up a few people who took things a bit too seriously." Sure, Jonathan.

Michael adds that the AST crew did not originate in alt.shenanigans – that group played jokes, but never anything like AST. AST was its own special creature.

There was also the MEOW brigade – essentially the same animal as AST, just a different branch of the same family tree that doesn't branch. They originated from a thread in alt.fan.karl-malden.nose about Henrietta Pussycat (the Mr. Rogers cat puppet who speaks in "meow meow go to bed meow? meow very tired meow"). A MEOW post is a full quote of the post above it with no additional content except "meow." Some of the meowers actually did useful anti-spam work in news.admin.net-abuse, but they appeared to believe the rules were for everyone else.

Honorable mention, as always, must be given to Archimedes Plutonium – the dean of the kook gallery, prolific Usenet poster, proponent of a theory in which the universe is one giant plutonium atom (the details vary by decade), and an absolute fixture of net.kookery from the late 1980s onward. His site (or what's left of it) was at archimedesplutonium.com but his life details and choices live on. I will let Archimedes speak for himself, as he always has, at length, regardless of who asked.

You can take the Kook Test – the catnip.org URL is long dead, but the test itself has been archived various places; search for "Hipcrime Vocab kook test" or look in the Wayback Machine.


The modern troll landscape (2026):

The shape of trolling changed dramatically as the audience moved off Usenet. Recognize these:

   o   4chan raid culture – /b/, /pol/, and the boards inherit AST's invasion-wave model and industrialize it. Pick a target, coordinate off-platform (Discord, Telegram, IRC), descend on the victim's social media, blog comments, or company contact form. The 2014 Gamergate harassment campaign was a watershed example. Tactics: doxxing, mass complaint-bombing (false reports to employers / Twitter / hosting providers), fake pizza orders, fake suicide hotline calls.

   o   Groypers – the Nick Fuentes / America First crowd. Tactic: show up at campus Q&A sessions with rehearsed "just asking questions" bigotry designed to either elicit a damaging answer or generate viral clip-bait when ignored. The descendants of AST "invasion waves," just with worse politics and better camera framing. Online they brigade, mass-report, and dogpile.

   o   State-sponsored troll factories – Russia's Internet Research Agency, the various Chinese 50-cent army formations, Iranian PSYOP, etc. These are paid jobs at scale. They look like organic users, push narratives in groups, and inflame existing divisions. Indistinguishable in the moment from a sufficiently dedicated bigot, only with a paycheck. They got significantly more sophisticated post-2016 and they don't go away when ignored – but ignoring them at the individual level is still your job.

   o   AI-generated bot swarms – the 2024 election cycle proved out at scale what was theoretical in 2020: LLM-driven persona accounts that can sustain conversation, write on-brand harassment, and operate at a volume no human troll factory could match. By 2026 a credible-looking pile-on can be assembled by one person with a credit card and an API key. Eliza was a primitive ancestor; the 2026 versions are not.

   o   Targeted harassment platforms – Kiwi Farms and its successors (it's been deplatformed and rehosted many times) exist specifically to coordinate long-term campaigns against individual targets, often trans or otherwise marginalized people. This is past trolling and into stalking; it has a body count.

   o   Swatting – calling in fake hostage / shooting reports to send armed police to a target's home. Genuinely lethal – people have died. The FBI takes this seriously; if it happens to you, document everything and report.

   o   Sealioning / JAQing off – relentless, polite-on-its-face demand for "sources" and "debate" designed to consume the target's time and energy. Often paired with a chorus of co-trolls who cite the target's exhausted refusal to keep engaging as proof of bad faith. The David Malki cartoon that named this is at wondermark.com.

   o   The classic kook – never goes out of style. The Internet has always had its Archimedes Plutoniums and Robert McElwaines and Serdar Argics. The platforms changed; the genre is eternal. Be glad of them; they remind us what real obsession looks like.

The methods evolved. The advice didn't: don't engage. Block, mute, report when it crosses into actual threats or coordinated harassment, and otherwise refuse to be the entertainment.

For the philosophical reasons why this is so hard for humans to do, you may correspond with an automated bot for a while without realizing it. The classic was ELIZA; the 2026 ones are much better. Sometimes you're not arguing with anyone at all. This used to be a punchline; it's a reasonable working assumption now.

 
Defining troll, flames, and crossposts
============================================

From the Jargon File (catb.org/jargon/html/T/troll.html):

troll v., n.

1. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To utter a posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames; or, the post itself. Derives from the phrase "trolling for newbies" which in turn comes from mainstream "trolling," a style of fishing in which one trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed troll is a post that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on it. See also YHBT.

2. An individual who chronically trolls in sense 1; regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a newsgroup, discussion list, or in e-mail for no other purpose than to annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by the fact that they have no real interest in learning about the topic at hand – they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly creatures they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming characteristics, and as such, they are recognized as a lower form of life on the net, as in, "Oh, ignore him, he's just a troll." Compare kook.

3. [Berkeley] Computer lab monitor. A popular campus job for CS students. Duties include helping newbies and ensuring that lab policies are followed. Probably so-called because it involves lurking in dark cavelike corners.

The use of "troll" in sense 1 is a live metaphor that readily produces elaborations – the warning "Do not feed the troll" is the canonical example.

Some people argue troll (sense 1) is properly narrower than flame bait – that a troll is categorized by containing some assertion that is wrong but not overtly controversial. See also Troll-O-Meter.


Troll typology (an old British classification still useful):
   o   Playtime – one-off trolling.
   o   Tactical – long-term trolling by a single character.
   o   Strategic – long-term trolling using multiple characters and different waves (the AST model).
   o   Domination – trolls who run mailing lists / forums / Discord servers themselves and weaponize moderation.

From the original alt.flame FAQ by Christopher Henrik Lund:
   a)   Flaming – rude comments, insults, personal attacks.
   b)   Trolling – fishing for flames. Smarmy love chatter, useless pieces of boring information, etc.
   c)   Cascades – endless meaningless threads where posters repeat the same phrase over and over with little variation. Amusing to participants, boring to everyone else.

Modern additions to the vocabulary:
   o   Dogpiling / brigading – coordinated mass-reply from a target's enemies, usually after a link is shared in an unfriendly community.
   o   Sealioning – bad-faith demand for sources and debate, performed politely, designed to exhaust.
   o   Quote-tweet ratio – the Twitter / X-era metric: more quote-tweets than likes means everybody piling on hates the post.
   o   Concern trolling – pretending to be a sympathetic insider while subtly undermining whatever the group is trying to do.
   o   Sockpuppeting – running multiple fake accounts to fake consensus.
   o   Astroturfing – sockpuppeting at scale, often paid.
   o   Doxxing – publishing a target's real identity, address, family, employer.
   o   Swatting – calling in fake emergencies to send armed police to the target.

Crossposting is posting the same message to more than one group / community / hashtag. Sometimes legitimate (a relevant cross-disciplinary post); usually a red flag.

 
What to do
============================================

A practical sequence, in order. Walk through this before hitting reply.

A) Don't reply. The TL;DR at the top is not a suggestion.

B) Walk away from the keyboard. Ten minutes. Make tea. Pet the cat. Whatever.

C) Check the headers / profile. If you're on a platform that shows account creation date, post history, and follower graph, look. An account created last week with three followers and a stock photo profile picture is not your real interlocutor. Often it's a bot, a sockpuppet, or a brigade account.

D) Search for the troll's prior pattern. Most trolls have a public history. A 30-second search of the username on the platform plus its predecessor platforms will usually tell you if you're dealing with a one-off or a career operator.

E) If the post has a real header / metadata trail and you suspect impersonation, see the spam FAQ for header-tracing methodology. The same skills apply – somebody may be using a forged e-mail address or impersonating a real person to get that real person in trouble. Don't go after the obvious named target; they're often the victim.

F) Stop sitting on your hands, but don't reply to the post.

G) Read about the Gullibility Virus. A classic comic editorial by Robert Harris on how hoaxes spread, still funny: virtualsalt.com/the-gullibility-virus.

H) Sit and think. The Internet is not real life. The newsgroup / subreddit / forum / Discord / Mastodon instance you're so involved in would forget you exist if you stopped posting for six months. (Most likely quicker.) Real life goes on with or without it.

I) Remember Neal Stephenson's line: "Arguing with anonymous strangers on the Internet is a sucker's game because they almost always turn out to be – or to be indistinguishable from – self-righteous sixteen-year-olds possessing infinite amounts of free time." (Cryptonomicon.) Update for 2026: "or sufficiently capable language models running on someone else's GPU budget."

J) Use the platform's tools. Block. Mute. Report. Filter. See item 6 – this is the single biggest underused option on every modern platform.

K) Whatever you do, DO NOT reply to the post.

L) Go do something else. Clean that green stuff off the sides of your fish tank like you have been meaning to do. The post will still be there if you change your mind. It will also not be there if you decide it never deserved your attention.

M) Document, if it's escalating. Screenshots, archive links (Wayback Machine "Save Page Now," archive.today), header dumps. If this becomes harassment, stalking, swatting, or coordinated brigading against you personally, you'll want evidence. Don't post the evidence at the trolls; save it for law enforcement and / or your lawyer.

N) If it's crossed into actual threats, swatting, or stalking, contact law enforcement. FBI IC3 in the US, your national equivalent elsewhere. For online platforms, also report directly to the platform's Trust & Safety team. Real threats are felonies in most jurisdictions and platforms generally cooperate with law enforcement requests.

After working through that list your blood pressure has hopefully dropped a few points. The above applies to all posts that are trolls – one-off or sustained, single-platform or coordinated.

DO NOT POST a reply. It will only get more people upset at you than at the original troll. If you feel like you absolutely have to post a public response, trim the audience – reply only in the original context, never quote-tweet or amplify, and never crosspost the troll's message into communities that hadn't seen it yet. The troll's goal is exactly that amplification. Don't be the loudspeaker.

 
E-mailing (and other direct contact)
============================================

As above: do not post a reply in the target newsgroup / forum / thread to the troll. It will only clutter the place and get the regulars upset at you for replying.

Raffaele notes there are groups where some regulars encourage the opposite of the golden rule – they consider non-engagement cowardice. As always, read the FAQ for that particular community. Local culture varies. Mostly though, even in groups that say they want pushback, the pushback should come from the long-time regulars, not from a newcomer who's just had their buttons pushed for the first time.

Looking up the troll's other behavior: Google is no longer the friend it was for Usenet; the Google Groups archive went read-only and then closed. Try DuckDuckGo, the platform's own search, or specialty archives. If the troll is a known kook, somebody usually maintains a public dossier. The Wayback Machine often has snapshots even if the original page is gone.

If the message came through an anonymous remailer, the e-mail address is almost certainly forged. Remailers are an important free-speech tool and should not be destroyed because some users abuse them. You can contact the remailer operator if it's serious, but expect a polite refusal to identify the user – that's the entire point. Modern equivalents include Tor-routed services, Cwtch, SimpleX, and various end-to-end-encrypted relays.

If you decide to contact the apparent sender directly, send a nice message and ask why they did it. The e-mail address may be forged and the "sender" may be the actual victim. The person may also genuinely be a newbie who didn't realize they were starting a flame war. Sometimes the cause is hopeless; sometimes it isn't. Don't assume.

If you get a nasty reply (or no reply and the posts continue), the next option is to contact the responsible operator – the platform abuse address, the ISP, the company employing the troll (if they're posting from work, which is a category of stupidity that still happens). See the spam FAQ for how to figure out who that is.

Andrew's rules for writing an effective complaint:

   1.   Keep it simple, keep it short. Abuse desks are buried.
   2.   Be polite. It is not the abuse desk you are angry at.
   3.   Include the full headers / message ID / URL. Without unambiguous identification of the offending content, they cannot act.
   4.   Thank them at the end. Gratitude before the fact helps spur effort on your behalf.
   5.   Be patient. Resolution may take a few days. Don't repost the same complaint; new and different complaints, however, are permissible.
   6.   If it has escalated to harassment or threats, call instead of e-mailing – or contact law enforcement directly. The 1990s advice was that long-distance phone charges might be worth it. In 2026 just use the abuse contact form on the platform's transparency page or file with IC3.

Sample complaint:

   To: abuse@example.com
   Subject: Harassment from your user / IP / customer
  
   Hello,
  
   Please find attached the headers and content of a harassing message posted to <forum / group / platform> on <date>. The message originated from your <customer / user / IP / hosted instance> and I'd appreciate your help in addressing it per your acceptable use policy.
  
   Thank you for your time.


 
Killfiles, blocks, mutes, filters
============================================

The single most underused tool on every modern platform.

The classic Usenet killfile told your newsreader to ignore certain authors, subject lines, or quoted patterns. The newsreader filtered the spool before you ever saw it. rn, trn, nn, tin, Gnus – every newsreader had this. Quiet, effective, invisible to the troll.

The modern equivalents:

   o   Twitter / X: Mute (quiet), Block (the troll sees they're blocked, which they may make a fuss about), Mute Words (your single most powerful tool – mute the troll's catchphrases and the topic itself).
   o   BlueSky: Mute, Block, Moderation Lists (community-curated mute / block lists), labeler subscriptions. The labeler system is what killfiles always wanted to be.
   o   Mastodon: Mute, Block, server-wide blocks via your instance admin, Filter (mute keywords). Different instances have different cultures – pick yours accordingly.
   o   Reddit: Block User, mute subreddit, hide post, RES (Reddit Enhancement Suite) tagging if you want to remember who somebody is.
   o   Facebook / Instagram: Unfollow (silent), Snooze (30 days), Mute, Block, Restrict (they don't know).
   o   Discord: Block user, ignore server, leave server. The server admin has more tools – if you are the admin, learn them.
   o   YouTube comments: Disable comments on your videos. Genuinely. Comments-off is a feature, not a failure.
   o   E-mail: Filter / rule by sender, subject, or domain. Auto-archive or auto-delete. Most modern mail clients have learning filters that get this right.

A few principles:

   o   Mute beats block when the troll might escalate if they notice. Mute is silent on your side.
   o   Block beats mute when the troll is harassing you and you want them off your timeline / mentions entirely, including in other people's threads.
   o   Keyword muting beats account-level muting for ongoing topics – mute the topic, not just the people. New trolls will join the pile-on; muting the topic catches them too.
   o   Block lists / labeler subscriptions let you adopt somebody else's curation. On BlueSky and Mastodon this is built in; it's how community defense scales.
   o   You do not owe anybody your attention. Blocking is not censorship; it's housekeeping.

If you follow all of the above steps you will be happier, the Internet will be a slightly quieter place, and the trolls will have had to find somebody else to bother.

Welcome to the Troll FAQ.

 



Historical preservation note:

Items 7 and 8 below are preserved from the 1990s original. They describe the AST crew as they were when this FAQ was first written. The crew haven't posted in roughly thirty years. The contact information is long dead. Most of the people involved have presumably gone on to careers, families, regret, or all three. I have updated links to point to the Wayback Machine where the original target is dead, but the body text is unchanged from how it was when first contributed to the FAQ in the mid-1990s. The original 1994 AST FAQ that appears at the very bottom is also preserved verbatim – that's the trolls' own document, included here because know-your-opponent is useful even thirty years on. The tactics described in "Waves of Invasion" have direct modern descendants in groyper raid tactics, 4chan operations, and state-sponsored troll factory playbooks. Plus ça change.

 
A description of the alt.syntax.tactical crew (and lesser trolls)
=================================================================
 
You will find a description of the AST crew below, but first I must mention the lesser groups that inhabit the Internet. From the group alt.games.creatures we find a group of trolls that (as many trolls do) try to make it seem that they are the purveyors of the truth ... everybody else is wronging them.

The original GeoCities page they posted is long dead (GeoCities was shut down by Yahoo in 2009); the content was preserved verbatim below in the original FAQ:

Where we find THE AVENGER SQUADRON
----------------------------------
The terrorists on AGC have opened a Pandora's box of terrorism. We intend to neutralize that box and close it once and for all, without breaking any laws.
 
"Fear is a powerful and dangerous thing." -A quote.
 
We will stop them, without breaking the law.
 
We are the defenders of justice and peace and we will fight to protect innocent people from the savage violence and hatred on AGC that exists because it was formerly overrun with terrorists. We have successfully ridden it of several hate-mongering persons and groups, and continue to do whatever we can to uphold freedom and peace.
 
Those guilty of violations have accused us of trickery, lies, and forgery. This is not the case. We have never lied. We only make legitimate complaints that truly violate Terms of Service Agreements. Those who wrongly accuse us of these things are no doubt guilty of violations themselves and wish to rid themselves of us so that they can continue their inappropriate activities and get away with them.
 
They will not succeed in trying to destroy us. We are here to stay.
----------------------------------
 
Isn't that just the CUTEST thing :-) ...
 
The rest of this AST FAQ is here for historical purposes only. Below we find the sad description of the AST crew and a copy of their invasion FAQ. Everything below this down to my .sig has not been updated (and will not be updated) since the troll FAQ was created in early 1996. Jonathan tells me that the original AST FAQ was written in 1994. The Google Groups link to the original All About Alt.Syntax.Tactical (or, Know Your Jerk) post by Victor at 1994Jun28.030029.24541@lugb.latrobe.edu.au is gone with the Google Groups archive; the Wayback Machine has copies of mirrors.
 
Victor wrote a description about the alt.syntactical wrecking crew. Below is his post. The section "The alt.syntax.tactical FAQ - Know your opponents" contains the tactics used by the AST crew to disrupt any USENET group.
 
Date: Tue, 8 Nov 1994 11:52:38 MST
 
Welcome to the All About alt.syntax.tactical FAQ
 (or, Know Your Jerk)
Irregular Posting
 
*Sigh*. A fresh batch of shitheads have arrived. I do applaud everyone for ignoring them. However newbies are advised to read the following.
 
-- What is this FAQ about? --
 
This FAQ is for new users who enter the wonderful world of Internet only to be disappointed by stumbling upon gigabytes of stupidity and old timers who know that idiots tend to hang around in groups. The subject here are a bunch of infantile losers known as -
 
Alt.syntax.tactical
 
A.s.t can claim the dubious honor of being the only group that even alt.flame can look down upon.
 
-- Why do they do this? --
 
Beats me. Seems like an awful lot of boring, repetitive rote work with the only reward being regarded as an electronic cockroach plague by the rest of the net community.
 
-- How do I recognize an alt.syntax.tactical post in general? --
 
- Cross posting to a large number of groups. Attention seeking exercise.
 
- The "flogging a dead horse" syndrome. Taking topics that have been done to death and rehashing them. In this case, trying to start another alt.tasteless/rec.pets.cats flame-war (ho-hum). This is likely due to the article detailing the original flame-war appearing in WiReD magazine, so probably seeking attention again.
 
- General lack of interest, humor and a lame attempt to be offensive, like crossposting to rec.pets.cats, the two K12 groups and alt.gathering.rainbow.
 
Other general characteristics -
 
- a.s.t posters are in the habit of following up there own articles if the original was (wisely) ignored.
 
- reposting complete articles or flame/counter flames with one line comments, thus maximizing bulk.
 
- endless flame/counter-flames between the various a.s.t invasion wave members when the real newsgroup members(wisely) ignore them.
 
As a rule of thumb, if it is boring, pointless and inane, you can bank on it being from a.s.t.
 
-- What can I do about stupid a.s.t posts? --
 
The golden rule is ignore. If someone farts in a room, the smell will eventually go away. Likewise, if a.s.t is largely ignored, they too will go away.
 
Resist all urges to reply. You'll be bashing your head against a brick wall and only giving them satisfaction. Learn to use your kill-file, ask someone you know how if you don't know. The more hi-tech among you may want to track them down and extract whatever electronic revenge you can.
 
-- Where do a.s.t reside, usually? --
 
There originally was an a.s.t group, and it still gets used occasionally. Mostly, they hang out in alt.bigfoot, which was probably originally a Sasquatch interest group which they invaded and decided to keep, and in alt.flame.
 
-- Who are the members of a.s.t? --
 
(Note : These people haven't posted in a long time, so this is an old list)
 
OK, here is the listing. If any body has any other addresses, e-mail, and we'll add them.
 
Name and/or handle      Address
_____________________________________________
Robert Trent            trent@vertigo.helix
Supreme commander       harmoni@vertigo.helix
Shafik Harmoni          trent@mprgate.mpr.ca
 
Antebi                  antebi@scf.usc.edu
Rev. Antebi             antebi@ucla.edu
Ron Shmet               antebi@phakt.usc.edu
                        antebi@chaph.usc.edu
                        shmet@ucla.edu
 
Wilf                    wilf@doe.carlton.ca
Bulldog                 bulldog@achilles.net
                        wilf@sce.carlton.ca
 
Dewme                   sdew@charlie.usd.edu
Charlie Dew             sdew.nyx.du.edu
                        sdew@tulip.usd.edu
 
Wild Bill               traveller@teleport.com
Bill Travis             bill@suntan.vid.ilstu.edu
 
Doug Weber              grossy@netcom.com
 
Lisa Park Yzer-GOD      brotman@netcom.com
 
 
John Kordic             jpdavid@netcom.com
 
Plus an ever changing variety of others. As has come to pass, it isn't even necessary to know the above idiots, though they are the most predominant and have popped up in a.t several times this year.
 
A.s.t has matured with time to be just another generic term for bandwidth wasting shit-heads.
 
 
The alt.syntax.tactical FAQ - Know your opponents
=================================================
 
Here's some relevant source material, obtained from one of the members, the "real" FAQ of AST, a somewhat less serious one, and one distributed -about- AST.
 
                      The Invasion FAQ of A.S.T.
 
 
Although not exactly a FAQ, this file is more of an explanation of why alt.syntax.tactical and the tactical-list were created. It also lays down the foundation for the structure, strategy, and protocol of USENET invasions.
 
 
                            * Invasion *
 
Each of us brings our own reasons, backgrounds and motivations into this scheme. What is important is that each individual brings into this their own brand of inspired mischief. In some ways it is completely innocent. In some ways it is completely destructive.
 
Anyone can walk into alt.sex and post that pornography should be banned. Anyone can walk into rec.sport.baseball and say "baseball sucks". It takes unbelievable skill and discipline to cause a PROLONGED flame war. That is what we do. But it can only be done with talent, and numbers to match that talent. We only bring into the fold people who have the knack to use smarts to incite chaos, not stupidity to incite being ignored when people see a post and know what you're up to.
 
To keep things running smoothly, Antebi is our 'moderator'. jpdavid was responsible for creating the mailing-list and setting up the initial newsgroup. Everyone is equal in suggesting and voting on invasion sites and other basic day-to-day workings of the group. Everyone here gains or loses merit only in the invasion arena.
 
 
                       * Waves of Invasion *
 
 
Flames and wars between groups are as old as Usenet. What we try to do is in many ways fundamentally different from what is or has been done in this area.
 
After picking a site, we call for an invasion on that site. There are a number of phases to an invasion. Each person can volunteer for which wave they want to be in, but more times than not, it is a first come-first served policy. It is always important that no one jump the gun and go in before we have time to prepare and bounce ideas off each other. It's also important that people don't switch waves without letting everyone know. Flexibility is the key, as is communication.
 
Typically, we use between two and five Waves of attack. Waves will generally break down into this kind of structure:
 
  a: Reconnaissance (RECON): These people will go in early and usually set up camp as "friends of the newsgroup". They will become trusted and participate by joining previous discussions or starting non-controversial ones themselves. They will also act as "double-agents" to counter-flame the other waves as the invasion progresses. They key is building a bit of credibility.
 
  b: Wave One: Wave one will usually be what starts the flame war. Those involved in this wave can go on and each have a different flame, or go on and flame in unison. They can bring in a subject of their own or flame a previous discussion. What matters is that this initial wave will be the one that the invaded newsgroup will have their attention on. This wave calls for extreme subtlety. The quality of the flame MUST be at its highest point here.
 
 c: Wave Two: Wave Two will consist of tactics to attack the people who were sent in as recon and attempt to start totally new flame threads. The key here is that even if we attack a group of people restrained enough to resist our flame-bait, wave two will stir things up and get others to join in.
 
 d: Wave Three: Wave three will generally change depending on the campaign, but will generally be added to push the confusion and chaos over the top. Flame the recon, flame the first wave, flame the second wave. These guys are our balls out, rude SOB's. Mop up and clean out.
 
Sometimes (usually with bigger groups) Wave three will simply be along the lines of a wave two. We will call for a wave four (or five) to be the balls out routine. We will sometimes add a wave or two because depending on the size and intelligence of a newsgroup.
 
 Miscellaneous Tactics:
 
     There are three other things that we typically use, depending on the sophistication of the invasion.
 
LOOSE CANNONS are people who come in and act so strange and obtuse that it makes the rest of the flames look genuine.
 
THE ANON SERVICE can be used to send posts anonymously. This is a good way to post and pretend to be scared of retribution. Only problem is that this is usually the first sign that a post is a flame, so it should only be used with a TREMENDOUS amount of DISCRETION.
 
CROSS POSTING is also a popular method of choice by other flame groups, so it is important to Cross Post with discretion. If we can cross post to bring in other newsgroups to unwittingly assist us, perfect. If we cross post to suspicious newsgroups, our intentions will be obvious.
 
                        * Victory *
 
Ideally, signs of victory are the following:
 
o Our names appear in killfiles
o Majority or ALL threads in invaded newsgroup were started by us
o Regulars/legit people abandon invaded newsgroup
o Receive much hate mail - as does our SysAdmin
o To be reprimanded by the glorious SysAdmin
 
                        * Notes *
 
Most important is the need to be SUBTLE when it is required. One misplaced post can ruin it for the rest of us. Those of you who have participated in widespread flame wars know the feeling of having a newsgroup going for a long time, then someone posts an obvious flame or something so far out of context, that everyone says to just ignore the flames, which eventually includes all of us. Blowing a flame war will occasionally happen, but if it could have been avoided with a little thinking, then it's not as excusable.
 
We've got to share duties. Everyone should get practice playing different roles and different waves.
 
It has been assumed that if you don't want to participate, fine. No one will hold it against you. What is expected is that if you don't want to participate you don't have to, but that also means that you wont go warning that newsgroup when an invasion happens. You will close your eyes and turn a blind eye. NO NEWSGROUP IS OFF LIMITS!!!!!!
 
Another thing many people seem to be talking about are SIGS AND NAMES. Try to take on appropriate names. If you are on alt.rap, D.J. Trouble is not going to stir things up...if you show up on soc.culture.physics with that name, you're caught before your first word of text. If a Sig is going to blow your cover, lose it.
 
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                        ALT.SYNTAX.TACTICAL: The FAQ
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Table of Contents:
 
  A>  Introduction to alt.syntax.tactical
 
  B>  Questions Frequently Asked
 
00> What is tactical syntax?
01> What do those long words mean?
02> What do you get when you put those words into an alt newsgroup?
03> Why is tactical syntax important to us?
04> What kinds of topics will be discussed on a.s.t?
05> Have certain ethnic groups or women as a gender been biased by syntactical tactics?
06> What languages make the best and worst use of syntax?
07> What are some of the hidden secrets of syntax?
08> How and why has syntax changed over the years?
09> Can studing[sic] other types of languages (sign, Braille, etc.) help us understand our own tactical syntax?
10> In case of emergency, who should we contact?
11> What other newsgroups might I find interesting?
12> Who is out to get us?
13> Who is an a.s.t approved author?
14> What is the Tertiary Syntactical Cycle?
15> Is there any Television syntax?
16> Who is the current caretaker of the newsgroup?
 
C>  Summary
 
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A> Introduction to alt.syntax.tactical
 
Welcome to the FAQ for alt.syntax.tactical. It was founded for the purpose of the academic study and use of syntax with respect to language, communication and the manipulation thereof. Many uninformed people throughout the Internet feel that we are nothing more than a bunch of cyberspatial loudmouths bent on shouting people down through the use of base, hacking and crude flame techniques. Although it is true that we have on occasion successfully bullied a number of newsgroup denizens into seizures and panic attacks, we feel that any criticisms thrown our way are based on misunderstanding and ignorance.
 
B>  Questions Frequently Asked
 
1> What is tactical syntax?
 
Tactical syntax is the use of language in a manipulative manner with a specific desired effect. Sometimes the desired effect is the response of the listener, while at others it is the demonstration of the speakers vast knowledge or even at others it is the use of language to confuse the listener.
 
2> What do those long words mean?
 
Manipulative - the act or practice of taking advantage of a person or situation through cunning, unfair, or insidious means.
 
Listener - One who hears
 
Demonstration - To clearly and convincingly show by reasoning and evidence
 
Vast - Of very great area, extent, range or amount.
 
3> Why is tactical syntax important to us?
 
The great debate of our century has been how the great personalities of our time have worked their communicative "magic". One might ask if the British would have survived without the brilliant syntax of Winston Churchill. Or one might ask is the Nazi's would have even been given a blinking chance to create the Third Reich without the brilliant, albeit malevolent, syntax of Adolf Hitler. What makes good syntax? We find that the more tactical the syntax is the better that syntax is.
 
To understand the importance of syntax in the Modern, flame Postmodern and Macromoderno age, it is essential to acknowledge the contribution of semantics and language mechanics. We must understand the contrived and manipulative effects of social/political/interpersonal propaganda. Can syntax help you get a discount when purchasing items in a retail store? Can syntax make or break an international peace treaty? What is the subjective bias of syntax relative to the teeming population of mass humanity and objective reality.
 
4> What kinds of topics will be discussed on a.s.t?
 
* The Psychology of Syntax.
* Verbal and Non-Verbal gestures and their effect on Syntax.
* Syntax under the manipulative effect of hypnosis.
* Dyslexia/Schizophrenia and Syntax
* Syntax under the effects of drugs and alcohol
* The Syntax of Slang
* Situational Syntax
* The History and Development of North American Syntax
* Sex, Syntax and the 90's
* Violence and the Syntax dialectic
* Syntax and propaganda in Cold War Russia
 
5> Have certain ethnic groups or women as a gender been biased by syntactical tactics?
 
Yes. Within the Specific and General domains of syntax, language and diction have been used by various factions of meta-institutions to support the downsizing and exploitation of women and members of ethnic groups.
 
6> What languages make the best and worst use of syntax?
 
Typically, languages with larger vocabularies (Romance) lend themselves to more tactical approaches to diction than languages with smaller vocabularies (i.e. Serubian).
 
7> What are some of the hidden secrets of syntax?
 
Join the Newsgroup and find out. We will tell you. Hint: It has nothing to do with dolphin squeaks.
 
8> How and why has syntax changed over the years?
 
As fluid as a river in the desert, syntax has flowed with change. Change is a natural evolution from the sea to the trees, the question is not so much how and why, but when and how.
 
9> Can studing other types of languages (sign, Braille, etc.) help us understand our own tactical syntax?
 
Of course it can. But for the most part, we only care about English. Although, we would like to learn to swear in other languages. Look out for the alt.syntax.tactical 'Insulting Foreigners' FAQ coming to a.s.t soon!
 
10> In case of emergency, who should we contact?
 
Please post your problem first, but in case of emergency, you can e-mail to VICE-PRESIDENT@WHITEHOUSE.GOV
 
11> What other newsgroups might I find interesting?
 
Other a.s.t recommended newsgroups include:
alt.nuke.the.usa
alt.forgery
comp.sys.amiga.advocacy
alt.fan.warlord
alt.spelling
alt.sex.bestiality
 
12> Who is out to get us?
 
The professionals who want to reduce language to:
(1) semantics (that is, little tiny bits which can only be studied with an electron microscope), or
(2) "deep" structures which can only be studied by psycho-bio-physio-neurochemists
 
13> Who is an a.s.t approved author?
 
Thomas Hardy - In the examination of the uses of Syntactical Fiction as a means to brainwash an unyielding public, one of the nineteenth century authors who best personifies this effort is Thomas Hardy, specifically in his novel, "The Mayor of Casterbridge" in which he presents moral dilemmas at an astounding rate and everything runs in intense cycles of threes. There is not a single aspect of the book that does not contain this Tertiary Syntactical Cycle<TSC>.
 
14> What is the Tertiary Syntactical Cycle?
 
TSC is probably the most powerful and oft used tactic in the attack on unsuspecting minds. Take comedians: All comics tell a joke a maximum of three times. The will get a bigger and better laugh the second and third telling. No competent comic will say a joke a fourth time. This is a violation of TSC and is not to be tolerated. TSC is also the reason that Hollywood produces Trilogies. The Lord of the Rings is perfect in its trimetry. There is a purpose behind TSC and we must all see and use this tactic as a matter of common rule and not as an optional choice. We have no Optional Choices!
 
15> Is there any television syntax?
 
That to which you refer actually has its basis in the code written circa 1938 by Dr. Y. Cournoyer of McGill University. In the preface to the Canadian Royal Syntactical Performance Methodology Code, Dr. Cournoyer states,
 
"Subversion through the syntactical methodology of oratological mind control must be closely supervised and regulated. Patterns of words transmitted non-personally can have a tremendous impact on a man's [sic] panic centers"
 
The good doctor had studied this effect of radio broadcasts among small populations in northern New Brunswick, and, luckily for us, had anticipated the mass visual medium of television. The code, first adopted by the CRTC and followed by the American FCC, prohibits the broadcast of certain syllabic and phonemic patterns, and sets a syntax standard adopted all over God's Green Earth.
 
16> Who is the current caretaker?
 
We let Teagi keep the group alive, and promote distribution. If your site doesn't carry it, let them know you want it!
 
C> Again, welcome to alt.syntax.tactical. We hope you join us in our discussions and learn. please use the knowledge acquired for good, not evil.
 
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